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Posted by Rouge7 - 9/18/2002 9:48:22 AM
Hello Nathan and congrats on 405 for FN. My
advice is keep going, 422 can be achieved with some ticks left. What
I am saying? Quit now! There's no need to pursue this! Just
kidding... The max for FN would be 482, if it's possible I don't
know how. I leave the yellow 20 behind the red 20 that requires a
bridge (so does the yellow 20), the yellow 10 in the BLL area (it
always takes the long way for some reason unlike it's red 20
neighbor) and the yellow 10 in the water by the blue 1. To get one
of those and everything else... well, I'd like to see
it.
P.S. Focusing on IS sounds like a great idea... (Sorry,
TomatoMan)
---
R7
Posted by SnapDragon - 9/18/2002 10:07:46 AM
Ahlyis, this is going to me my last post on the
topic. For me, this hasn't gotten personal, and I was just being
frank. I'm sorry that you're taking this the wrong way. You're in
the position of arguing a topic you don't fully understand... and
the fact you're denying is not a case of opinion, it's quite
verifiable. Like I said, it's EVEN IN MY FIRST VIDEO. That you
haven't noticed it by now is simply because you haven't been
looking.
It's pretty common in arguments for someone to start
with something that sounds reasonable, then get backed into an
unreasonable position due to an unwillingness to admit that they
were wrong.
You said "Snap does xxx, which is slow." (fairly
reasonable, just saying that I didn't realize swarming was
better)
I said "Yes, that's intentional, and here's why." (so now
you know it was a conscious decision)
You said "You're wrong!"
(oops... all of a sudden you're no longer pointing out an oversight,
you're arguing a specific and important strategy point with the
person who has perfected the level)
At this point, you've
invested enough emotional energy into a public argument that it
would hurt immensely to back down. So I'm not going to continue
this. It is a fact that I know more about FoH strategy than you, and
I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Sorry this has soured your opinion of
me.
Anyway, I took your criticism seriously, as you can see
from the rest of my messages. My arguments were against specific
misconceptions of yours. Perhaps my handling skills are indeed
atrocious compared to you. Lord knows I had enough trouble killing
the BLL in FT without deaths. (I have no trouble with Wollywogs,
though...?) But that's incidental to my strategy comments.
Posted by SnapDragon - 9/18/2002 10:09:00 AM
Rouge: Arg, sorry about the male-female thing. :) I probably knew that at one point and forgot. I just assumed you were naming yourself after the female villain in Sonic Adventure 2!
Posted by SuperStein - 9/18/2002 10:24:18 AM
this is going to me my last post on the
topic
NOOO!
You can't leave us for good!
NO!
But Snap... i just can't get that bomb-killing of yours
to work... any pointers for me?
Posted by Rouge7 - 9/18/2002 11:27:16 AM
No sweat, Snap. I hope I didn't offend any
female members of this board with my machismo...
Hey Snap,
did you check out my 442 FN vid? I'm curious if we approach the
level similar.
---
R7
Posted by SuperStein - 9/18/2002 12:10:52 PM
First-over-500-score-for-me!
Forest of
Hope: 513
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/18/2002 1:43:11 PM
Rogue's scores are hereby confirmethed, and we
shall removeth the asteriskeths henceforth!
:)
<http://tomatoman.net/pikmin/R7Allscores.jpg>
-
TM
Posted by SuperStein - 9/18/2002 3:31:56 PM
Nice Rouge7!
Got a 516 on Forest of Hope
now!
Gives me a good place on the list ey? No....
Distant
Spring:
382
Would have been a 400+
Had 2 wollywogs and
2 red 5s in the center of th onions :P
Posted by Rouge7 - 9/18/2002 3:53:55 PM
Dang, SuperStein shouldn't you be playing
Resident Evil? I guess I have stick with FoH for a little
while...
TomatoMan, thanks for putting my pic up! That
asterisk is like a hairy mole...
---
R7
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/18/2002 3:54:29 PM
Forest Navel - 412
There's really
only fine tuning to do from here. I have perfected the first half of
my run to where I always have exactly 150 Pikmin (and all 100
uprooted & flowered) a good 2 minutes before half-day. It's the
second half that I'm still tweaking. On this run I did exactly what
I wanted to. The 4 pellets that I didn't get were:
(1) Blue 20 in the clam area
(2) Yellow 20
where a bridge needs building
(3) Yellow 20 in the
Puffstool area
(4) Blue 10 in the Puffstool
area
The Beady Long Legs area is very easy to haul in, but
there is a catch. When you open the gate, all of the other pellets
make a detour into the BBL area before heading to base. This problem
was pointed out long ago (was it Ferret?) I finally worked the BBL
area into the last stage of my run so that my Pikmin are
carrying things along the most efficient routes.
Allocation
of Pikmin is crucial. You need to get a formula down if you want to
break 400. Having a general idea of how many Pikmin of each color
you have in your party is quite beneficial as it helps in planning
ahead. For example, when I grab the two red 5-pellets near the red
20, I throw three reds and two yellows on each. This way I can get
the red 10, two red 5's, and the red 20 all with about 27-30 reds.
But this advice is extremely basic and I should be slapped for
rehashing it.
Anyway, I am almost positive that 442 is the
highest achievable score on this level. I'm sure that I can
get 422 now. Hauling in that extra 20 I need will be quite the
endeavor. But I can't imagine it being possible to get to 462 or
482. No way.
Hmmm, my score still looks miniscule. MUST
SHARE CROWN WITH ROUGE!
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/18/2002 5:25:09 PM
Forest Navel - 417
Getting closer.
That run should have been a 422 or a 432 because I forgot two
pellets that I usually get: the blue 5 and blue 10 in the pool. In
my efforts to try to grab an extra 20, I ended up getting the 20 but
sacrificing 15 that I usually get. But it's a little better. Don't
worry, Rouge. Wait until I get to 432 before you start sweating.
Heh.
I think I'll borrow my sister's digital camera this
week so I can avoid the dreaded asterisk.
Posted by SnapDragon - 9/18/2002 5:37:27 PM
SuperStein: No no no... I'm not leaving, I just
meant I'm not going to argue with Ahlyis any more. :) (Though these
days I don't check this board all that often,
anyway...)
Getting the 3 bombs to work is tricky (the game
designers didn't really intend you to be able to do it this way).
Basically, your whistle circle has to be full-sized as each one
lands so that they're automatically called (if they're left alone
for an instant it won't work). The timing is very exact. You'll have
to practice it. Toss the 3 Pikmin as QUICKLY as you can, then
whistle so that the circle is full as they land.
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/18/2002 6:23:10 PM
Forest Navel - 432
Okay, Rouge.
You can commence sweating. I just missed 442 that time. Here's what
went down.
In every run, just after midday I run 5 yellows
and 10 blues over to the pearl area. I start the 5 yellows building
the bridge and then throw the blues on the blue 10. Then I use the
geysers to return to base where my guys have just returned with big
loads. I then work the Puffstool area and make sure to pick up all
loose ends. From there I usually have about 30 Pikmin left (mostly
red and yellow) and I run them over to the pearl area again. The
yellows are just finishing with the bridge. I collect the pearl and
head over to the red 20 and yellow 10. I usually have between 30 and
35 Pikmin. I collect the two big pellets.
There's the snag.
I know I had my numbers perfect for this second trip to the
pearl area. But when I headed to the red 20 and yellow 10 I realized
that I had 29 guys. Oh man was I pissed. I just threw all 29
onto the red 20 and tried to clear out the rest of the
level.
Well, the run turned out fantastic and I was able to
clear both the Puffstool and Beady Long Legs areas. When my last
pellet reached base I had about 5 seconds left and realized that I
had missed "perfection" by ONE FREAKING PIKMIN. The total was
432. And I don't even know how I lost track of that one guy who
screwed up my pearl run. He didn't die. I know this because all that
I left were two 20's and a 10. I must have accidentally put 4 guys
on the pearl. Or perhaps the guy wasn't flowered and he lagged
behind too far until he became idle. Dunno. But I'm still happy with
the 432. It's not a score to complain about.
Guess I really
will be needing to borrow that camera this week. My numbers are
getting too good for this level for some people to believe.
Posted by Ahlyis - 9/18/2002 6:29:27 PM
Snap, I just have to comment. Sorry, can't help
myself.
You're in the position of arguing a topic you
don't fully understand... and the fact you're denying is not a case
of opinion, it's quite verifiable. Like I said, it's EVEN IN MY
FIRST VIDEO ... you haven't been looking.
I haven't
looked because I never saw your first video. It was posted many
months ago. I think it was probably a month or two before I started
coming here. I haven't ever seen it posted since.
I don't
doubt that it happened to you. I never said it wasn't possible. I'm
simply saying that I've never seen it happen in the many months I've
been playing. Given that I've never even seen it, I find it very
hard to believe that it is a serious enough problem to warrant
taking the slow safe approach against it. If we were to take the
absolute safest approach against all enemies, we'd just attack most
with Olimar alone. Obviously this would be far too slow to actually
accomplish anything. Therefore, we have to decide which methods have
the proper balance between speed and safety for the given situation.
I doubt you would disagree with me there, right? Where we seem to be
disagreeing is on the ratio between speed and safety against Dwarfs.
I see no risk, you see plenty.
It's pretty common in
arguments for someone to start with something that sounds
reasonable, then get backed into an unreasonable position due to an
unwillingness to admit that they were wrong.
Agreed, but
I honestly don't think I've done that here. In fact, the only thing
that I would change from my original posts (other than possibly
toning them down some) would be with regards to separating out the
Bomb carriers against Bears. You are right in that you need to be
able to toss them quickly and with assurance that no normal yellows
might be tossed instead. Against borbs or clamclamps I still
disagree.
It is a fact that I know more about FoH strategy
than you, and I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Sorry this has soured
your opinion of me.
I never denied that you have more
experience at FoH. But why does that matter? What does FoH have to
do with what method of killing Dwarfs is better? Why do you feel
that this is specific to FoH and not a more broad sort of thing? You
fight Dwarfs on other levels and in the main game. What makes FoH so
special that only your vast experience there enables you to have a
correct OPINION? And it is an opinion, not a fact. You sacrifice
time for safety. I say the amount of safety gained isn't enough to
justify the loss of time. These are opinions, not
facts.
Since you have enough time to still finish everything,
you can afford to lose the time and go for the added safety. My
pattern is still developing and I need the extra time. The safety
loss is non-existent in my experience, so I prefer to save the time.
And no, I don't think my experience with Dwarfs, in FoH or
elsewhere, is as miniscule compared to yours as you made it out to
be.
Besides, if you watch my FT video, you will see that I
kill the two Dwarfs in the central area as just Olimar. This takes
MUCH more time than either raining OR swarming. But I have plenty of
time to still finish everything, so it doesn't matter to me on FT.
It's all situational. On FoH, I don't see enough time to do
everything, so I save it where I feel I safely can. One of those is
killing Dwarfs by swarm. If I develop a pattern which provides me
plenty of time, perhaps I would change things. This is a point where
your pattern allows you the luxury of doing that. that's
fine.
The problem I had after my first post was that you
didn't simply say that you could afford to be more cautious because
you had extra time. No. You said that I didn't know what I was
talking about, your experience vastly outstripped mine and that I
should basically shut up. THAT was what ticked me off! I'd like to
think that if someone criticized my FT video, I would try to see
their points and respond with explanations or counter arguments, not
blind criticism of their skill.
Posted by Ahlyis - 9/18/2002 6:56:18 PM
Snap, I just went back and re-read the posts. It
was actually the one at the top of page 15 (I think, I use 20 post
pages and it's on page 8 for me) that set me off.
The thing
was, when I watched TomatoMan's IS Video, I though "Jesus, THAT was
impressive". He does things so quickly and chaotically that I'm
amazed he ever came up with that pattern. It boggled my mind just
trying to follow it.
When I watched your video, it wasn't
nearly as chaotic or as frenzied. You took your time, didn't mind
'screwing up' around the second pearl. Didn't mind taking the slower
approach to killing some enemies. And finished with only a little
time left on the clock. The fact that it was a perfect was awesome.
And some of the methods you used were awesome. But overall, I just
didn't think the run itself was all that impressive. By that, I mean
your control of the Pikmin and some of the methods you
used.
When I did FT, I tried for the most part to be as fast
and as efficient as I could. then I had some fun at the end with all
the time I had left. TomatoMan seems to have tried to do the same
thing in his IS run. Both runs seem to me to have as few 'mistakes'
in them as possible since mistakes generally cost time. Your video
doesn't seem to care, so long as no Pikmin die and every
pellet/enemy makes it back. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with
that. But at the same time, it isn't nearly as awe inspiring to me
either.
It's not that I don't think you were capable of doing
that either. It seems more like you didn't bother to since it wasn't
necessary to be precise in order to get a perfect.
---
I'm
just a pigment of your imagination.
Posted by Rouge7 - 9/19/2002 8:54:11 AM
New high:
DS - 520
This was a very
good and lucky run, two things that rarely go together for me. I
made excellent time and three of the four frogs I killed dropped
blue 5's. Said frogs also only killed two of my pikmin (both
phantom). All together I only lost about 7-8 guys, all but one
phantom deaths. I even had enough time at the end to put away some
blues, take out some reds and return the red 10 and a red 5 that the
other frog dropped to the red onion.
Very happy to move up
the charts and see my combat skills improve, but I must remember
that my strat is copied from Ferret's pattern. If you're out there,
Ferret, thanks and it amazes me that with everything I collect and
as lucky as I got this was 60+ behind your score.
Nathan,
come on man, don't you want to work on IS or FoH? Seriously, I know
your frustration on missing 442 by that one pikmin. It seemed like a
requirement for me to get oh so close a time or two before getting
extra pellets in, but the lessons learned made it easier the next
time. Nice work and don't worry, I'm sweating...
---
R7
Posted by SnapDragon - 9/19/2002 9:43:08 AM
Rouge: Nice work, as usual... it looks like
pretty soon you're going to have me tied or beaten on every level!
Ouch.
Ahlyis: Pity that run's going on the DVD next to all
the impressive runs, then. :/
Posted by Ahlyis - 9/19/2002 10:34:01 AM
You misunderstand me Snap. I think your video is
more than deserving of being on the DVD. I expect some people will
find the way you can just casually go through the level without any
hint of panic about the time to be VERY impressive. More impressive
than either TomatoMan's or my own panic stricken, mad rushes to get
everything done on time.
Different things impress different
people. I prefer the manic, fast as you can videos. They seem more
action packed and impressive to me. But that's just my opinion and I
never claimed to speak for everyone. :-)
---
I'm just a
pigment of your imagination.
Posted by Ahlyis - 9/19/2002 10:40:14 AM
Two new highs for me, though one by only a
single Pikmin.
IS - 222
DS - 384
---
I'm just
a pigment of your imagination.
Posted by Rouge7 - 9/19/2002 11:17:42 AM
I don't know about that, Snap. After I got 520
on DS I played a ton of FoH, trying to better my score, but could
only break 500 twice. Need a lot practice on bombing 'borbs... IS
gives me too much trouble to even write here...
---
R7
Posted by SuperStein - 9/19/2002 11:23:34 AM
Nice that you ain't leavin Snap!
Was kinda
worried there :/
Anyway! Thanks for the full-circle pointer..
will test it ASAP!
Starting to get the hang of Forest of Hope
now!
Hopefully I will someday tie up with you! As i have done on
Final Trial already ;)
The final goal of mine is to be #1 on
every Top 15 :)
Hehe... doubt that will happen though.... FN
and DS is surely going to be one hell of a bugger!
It's nice
to see that the board is blooming again! Many posts since my last
visit!
DANG you americans for having such a stupid clock!
LMFAO!
You guys (this board) is SEVEN! YES, SEVEN! Hours behind
me!
Well, some homework needs attention. But I will hit
Forest of Hope hard after that! just need some bomb practice
first!
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/19/2002 11:36:29 AM
Forest Navel - 442
Holy chicken
excrement! I gone up n' done it this time, Billy Joe! Oh man my
heart is racing. I barely pulled it off. Barely. Wow. Ugh.
I
did the exact same thing that I did in my 432 run....but this time I
had 34 Pikmin instead of 29 for that crucial second pearl run. The
only pellets I didn't get were:
(1) Blue 20 in the
pearl area.
(2) Yellow 20 that requires the
bridge.
That's it. And I now know that 462 is not humanly
possible. 452? Possibly. I dunno. It doesn't seem likely, however.
If I could manage to get the blue 20 by the pearl area and leave one
of the other blue 20's behind it might be possible. But I really am
not willing to try it. My nerves are frayed as it is. Stripped
bare.
But now I'm kicking myself because I didn't even have
the VCR running. I just figured that I wouldn't get there this soon.
I mean, I just started playing the level again 3 days ago. My
previous record before all this work was 398. It just clicked all of
the sudden. I had been experimenting with all these new techniques
and struggling to even get to 390. Then I decided to go back to my
old strat. I fine tuned the second half of it and BAM, I was
onto something. The key for me was making sure to use every
single Pikmin. Every Pikmin needs to be flowered and on every
trip I need to grab as many pellets as is mathematically possible.
Throwing one extra Pikmin onto a big pellet can cause you to be one
short for getting a 5 pellet. And you almost always will not get
that 5 pellet later. You have to use every Pikmin
wisely.
Well, I'm now confident that I can tie or beat every
score on the leader board (but Ferret's Distant Spring record will
be excruciating). I honestly believe that Forest Navel is the most
difficult level because to achieve a 442 (or better?) you must not
waste a single second. You must not lose your train of thought. You
must not panic. You must become completely and utterly one with
Olimar. I will be heading to the Forest of Hope next. My current
high score for that level is 529. I know I can have 569 with some
dedication.
I will be sure to borrow that digital camera
now. I don't want anybody doubting me.
Rouge, thank you for
inspiring me to work at this level. Your ungodly score kept driving
me. I honestly didn't believe I could get there. But remember, out
of the two top dogs of Forest Navel you will always have the edge.
You got there first. Congratulations.
I hope I don't sound
cocky right now. I just feel like anything is possible after this
(at least anything Pikmin-related). Well, I have studying to
do. Be back later.
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/19/2002 11:58:05 AM
Oh, man. Nathan, Stein and Rogue are on friggin'
rampages. I'm going to go hide under my bed. :)
Nathan:
Congrats! If you're taking requests, see what you can do with DS
first. I've still had no word from Ferret about the tape of his 582,
and I don't want to do a DVD without the proper high score! If you
can beat (and tape) a run, we'll preserve it digitally for all
time!
I'm thinking when the DVD is done, I should send one to
Shigeru Miyamoto. I wonder if he has any idea what he's spawned
here. Maybe he'd fly us all all to Japan to put on a demonstration!
:)
TM
Posted by SuperStein - 9/19/2002 12:33:07 PM
And of course you MUST have a Norwegian
representing his explicit country of gaming geniuses to that Japan
tour!
And nathan! I bow to yours truly holy arse! I could
almost kiss it! *kicks that thought away* LOL!
Well congrats!
Now it's only 2 levels who has 1 #1 keeper!
Who'll tie'em up
first!
nathan! go for DS and I'll lock my aim on FoH!
DEAL!
.
.
.
Can't compete with your incredible gaming
taltents!
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/19/2002 12:57:44 PM
Thanks for the applause, guys! I really do
appreciate it. Pikmin means a lot to me (sadly enough).
Stein and Tomato: There is no way that I'm crazy enough to
go for Ferret's DS record first. No way. AAAAAH! No! Do you have
any idea how long and hard Ferret fried his synapses
achieving that score? During the time he was doing it I was talking
to him every night on AIM. Believe it or not, at that time my 470
was the top score! I rested on it and started work on FoH. But
before long Ferret was smashing my record to smithereens. When I got
to 529 on FoH I gave up on Pikmin for several months and enjoyed the
summer. But I remember vividly how hard Ferret worked at that
record. I don't know that I'm ready to kill myself yet. In time I
will challenge it. In time.
Sorry guys, Forest of Hope comes
first. I know I'll be at 569 sooner or later. I think I'll start the
quest tonight.
Norwegian, eh Stein? I've had to read over
1500 pages worth of Henrik Ibsen plays in the past month. He has
surpassed Arthur Miller as my favorite playwright. A victory for
Norway, indeed.
Anyway, I'll stop rambling. My conquest
begins tonight. Can you hear my legions closing in?
Posted by SuperStein - 9/19/2002 1:31:55 PM
Peer du lyver!
Nei det gjor jeg ei!
i
little Norwegian here! from ibsens famous play 'Peer Gynt'
same
name in the states?! And damn you for starting on FoH!
I've got
the hand of Pikmin-bomb-throwing now. thanks again Snap!
had
a quite good run now
Was at 440...
had a pearl, a spotty
bulborb and a blue 20 pellet on the way in! would have been a record
for me! ;)
Well, need to practice more!
Are everyone
here using AOL? Cos here we go with MSN! want to ad me for your
list! I love Pikmin chat! wild_stone@hotmail.com
Or maybe
I'll install AOL again.... anyone?
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/19/2002 3:20:32 PM
Nathan: are you still in touch with Ferret? Tell
him to send me his friggin' tape! :)
Stein: Jeg snakte lit
norsk for (fast) 20 aar siden, men jeg har glemte fast alle... jeg
reiste (?traveled) i Lofoten i 1984-5... (OMG, I just realized
Lofotposten is online at <http://lofotposten.no> - that just
won't fit in my brain! I used to try to read it while lounging in
the youth hostel in Stamsund on long winter nights.
:)
TM
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/19/2002 3:25:42 PM
BTW, for you newbies to the board, I'd like to
inform you that back when the high score for IS was 273, although
Snap got there first, Nathan was the first to fill out his high
score board with 273s. In fact, his picture of that feat was one of
the first (if not THE first) score-confirming photos.
Ja, jeg
elsker dette landet, som det stiger frem... (or something like
that)
TM
Posted by Rouge7 - 9/19/2002 3:40:44 PM
I feel bad that I don't know any
Norwegian...
Nathan, I figured that 442 would be matched
sooner or later, I just hoped that it would be later! Congrats, I
would agree that FN is extremely difficult due to exactly what you
say, every pikmin must be accounted for. Of course, I'm biased...
From your posts I can tell that you approach the second half pretty
different than me, kinda cool. Good luck going after the other
levels, I found that my scores shot up after FN, think it taught me
to follow a plan.
TomatoMan, you should send a DVD to
Miyamoto or somewhere at Nintendo. I would think that would give
them reason to work pikmin sequels.
---
R7
Posted by gbagcn - 9/19/2002 7:57:18 PM
I bet the people who worked making this game would be impressed with these scores
Posted by Phrolox - 9/19/2002 8:49:06 PM
I still see ferret on AIM every now and then...I get the impression he has gone off gaming a little bit lately cept for his small stint wid smb2....if i see him i'll harrass him a bit more about the DVD :)....I also think it would be great to send it into Nintendo. (if it ever gets put in a player) they would love to see these kind of runs and it's all motivation to make a sequel...which we all really want :)
Posted by robluvsnic - 9/19/2002 8:53:43 PM
I am really depressed now. I think I might just
stop trying. There's no way I could ever seriously compete with you
guys.
Oh for those uni days long ago, when I might have had
enough spare time to devote myself to the challenges. 2 hours a week
just ain't enough. :/
---
Please don't beat me!
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/19/2002 10:50:44 PM
Buck up, Rob. :)
I'm never going to
seriously compete with these guys either, but I do hope to be in the
top 10 on each level at some point.
Don't forget the joy of
beating one of your own scores by a good handful - that's about the
most exhilirating thing you can experience. Me, I just love seeing
lots of big bugs and pellets being sucked up into onions, and
parades of pikmins working their way over in clumps. :)
If
you're playing for a #1 score at this point, you've got your work
cut out for you, that's for sure. But if you're playing for fun,
it's endless.
TM
Posted by SuperStein - 9/20/2002 9:33:25 AM
TomatoMan:
I'm impressed!
But the word
your using 'fast'.... I think u mean 'nesten'----> nearly...
'fast' is nearly in german :P, but still i'm impressed! btw.. how
old are you guys actually.. you say 20 years ago...I wasn't even
born then.. LOL... I'm a 86'er!
15 that is! :D
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/20/2002 10:01:10 AM
Right, right... "nesten". It's been a LONG time.
Studied German too (and French, and Spanish, and Indonesian, and
mastered NONE of them), so it's an ugly soup in my brain.
:)
You're FIFTEEN? I'm not telling you how old I am. Quite a
bit older than that, let's just say. Old enough to be youth
hostelling in 1985, I'll leave it at that. :P
TM
Posted by Ahlyis - 9/20/2002 10:03:08 AM
lol, I graduated High School in
'86!
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Posted by TomatoMan - 9/20/2002 10:32:30 AM
Ah, good, I feel SLIGHTLY better. I graduated HS
in '84. I'm probably still the greybeard around here,
though.
TM
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/20/2002 10:36:21 AM
Tell you what, I'm a bit jealous of you
Europeans. It must be nice to be able to travel to so many foreign
countries without getting on a plane or boat. What've we got? Canada
and Mexico. Not very exotic. Anyway, the only language I'm somewhat
well versed in is Italian.
Just to let you guys know, I've
decided to go for a second FN 442 and get it on tape. I don't want
to start a new level until I accomplish this because when you start
new levels your brain becomes fuzzy on the old ones. I hope to be
able to capture it today. Just got a 412 with a 10 and 20 close to
base.
By the way, I'm 21. A Clevelander as well.
Posted by SuperStein - 9/20/2002 11:15:13 AM
Yup! I'm 15... sumthin wrong with that!? Thought
not! :P
16 in october though!'
LOL! You guys were done
with your exams and all before I even was conceived! LOL!
Well...
I'm the small-little-newbie-2-level-record-holder then! LOL!
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/20/2002 11:46:53 AM
You're the right age to be doing this stuff. I
should probably be ashamed of myself.
I'm not, though.
:P
TM
Posted by SuperStein - 9/20/2002 12:23:29 PM
no no no no no!
Remember what DAvid Gosen
said! Gaming is an atitude! not an age!
TomatoMan! We need
experts of your caliber and age here to keep all of us small
wippersnappers calm! :-)
Posted by SnapDragon - 9/20/2002 2:01:26 PM
Nathan: A bit pedantic, but I'm pretty sure I had the DS high score from the start right up until Ferret beat it... I had 516 long before he started working on the level.
Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 9/20/2002 2:13:16 PM
My bad.
Posted by TopicMaster - 9/20/2002 2:57:35 PM
Hey whats up everyone.Im glad to see all the pro
chat going on and Id love to get involved.As of Now IM working on My
Impact Site score.Its Currently at 191.I cant seem to get close to
it with my new strat though.My old strat was to just try and get all
the 20 pellets.Now my new strat is to clear out the Main Area first
before moving on.Also whats the best way to kill the Flint Beetle I
cant seem to kill it.But I also dont seem to find it all the
time.Any help for that.All help is appreciated thanks.
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am the TopicMasta I always post 500!
You cannot out post
me!
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/20/2002 2:58:18 PM
Anybody else here waiting on the release of the
GameShark for use with Pikmin? I sure am.
I had a brief
e-mail exchange with one of the developers in which he confirmed
that one code made turning off the clock possible. That's the big
one from my perspective. I think not having a timer could actually
add many interesting dimensions to the game.
Certainly, we'd
be able to find out once and for all what a perfect score on DS
would be. Even without a timer, I think that would be very
difficult, because you'd have to kill all of the frogs and the
puffstools with no deaths. I almost always have a phantom death or
two with the puffstools, and you're always rolling the dice with the
frogs (unless you're Ferret). The thinking is it would likely be
over 700, but we'll just see, I suppose!
We could do the same
with FN, although that might be more easily calculated beforehand -
is 482 the consensus of what a perfect score would be if you got
every pellet (which it seems you can't)?
(I guess this could
make verifying high scores just about impossible, now that I think
of it - you could stroll your way to a non-timed 569 on FoH, take a
picture, and claim it as a high score. Hm. Well, we'll cross that
bridge when we get there, I suppose.)
I also mentioned that
if they could find a code for making the flint beetle stay up
longer, it would help us resolve the old question of whether 278
really is the max for IS or whether you could (in theory) get him to
spit up more pellets with more hits.
They've pushed back the
release date about 15 times so far this year, so I'm not expecting
it any time soon, but it IS something I look forward to and
definitely plan to get. And what about Pikmin 2? Any news on
that?
TM
Posted by TomatoMan - 9/20/2002 3:06:02 PM
TopicMaster: there are many "strats" for IS, but
most of them share a common core: clear out the "main" area
including the 10s on the ledge, push back the box and fight the
flint beetle, then make one pass up onto the log and through the
rock gate to the back area (which is all you have time for), then
try to clear out the remaining parts near where the rocket is in the
main game. Most strats that I know of are variants of that basic
pattern.
Do it perfectly and you can get 264; hit the flint
beetle six times and you can get 273; hit him eight times and you
can get 278. 278 has only been done a handful of times that we know
of.
And you don't kill the flint beetle, you just hit him as
many times as you can before he disappears below ground again (he
doesn't come back up). Pikmin can't hurt him by swarming; you have
to throw pikmin on his back, which makes him flip and sometimes drop
a pellet.
Good luck and post your
progress,
TM
Posted by Ahlyis - 9/20/2002 3:14:57 PM
TomatoMan, turning of the clock actually makes
DS fairly easy, though extremely time consuming. Avoiding phantom
deaths is easy. Just attack the frogs as only Olimar. It takes
forever, but it can be done. With the frogs safely handlable, that
just leaves the Puffstool as a major phantom death concern. Take him
on early so you don't waste your time. Then go after the frogs,
bears, borbs, wogpoles and anything else as just Olimar. Puffy is
easy enough with Pikmin and I've never heard any complaints of
phantom deaths from him.
Granted, this would take a LONG time
to do, but it can be done.
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Posted by TopicMaster - 9/20/2002 3:26:45 PM
Ahlyis thanks for the info.Im gonna keep going
with my strat.So far I can almost clean out the intire main area
before pushing the box including the area by the Rocket Ship and The
3 10's by about Noon the only main problem is finding stuff to do
while im waiting normally I end up being so slow that I dont even
make it to break down the Rock Wall.Well thanks for the info on the
flint beetle im pretty sure that when I first got pikmin I knew how
to do it.I knew how to kill pretty much anything.My first time
fighting a Puffstool he didnt poison any of my pikmin so I didnt
know what he did.After that Ive been unlucky enough to get pikmin
poisoned each time after.Im gonna go work on my score and see if I
can hit that Magical 200 mark.
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always post 500!
You cannot out post me!
Posted by TopicMaster - 9/20/2002 3:27:55 PM
Oh yeah I dont have any other scores except
Final Trial which is at 139.LOL I suck horribly and Im just now
getting back into the game.
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You cannot out post me!
Posted by Lewellyn - 9/20/2002 4:07:41 PM
Well, I'm also 16, nice to know everyone's
different ages - gaming appeals to all!
Well, one new high. I
'leapt' from 439 to 469 in FoH, a run which surprised me after
several 420 runs in a row.
FoH - 469.
