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Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/5/2002 7:13:56 PM

I agree with Nathan about the "proof" idea. We have been sharing our scores here for months and I am not about to scratch one of our brothers off of the top 5 list because someone just bleeped in with an outstanding score. Support your claims, mastershay.

As far as my 272, I scored another one - I really don't think I am allowed to get a 273.

Did I mention that I HATE Flint Beetles?

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Posted by TomatoMan - 3/5/2002 10:38:17 PM

The Impact Site - 273

YAWOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

My heart is still pounding. I can't believe I did it! That was a HECTIC run. I got the beetle pinned against the box and pummeled him, got the two 1s and the 5, and nailed the rest just barely enough. The last red 1 made it back with one second left on the clock.

It's amazing - to do this, you really have to have everything fall just perfectly. One screwup and you start over. The beetle takes a bad turn and you start over. Miss a 1 and you start over. I still boggle at Nathan doing a rack of 273s and being able to finish before the timer starts. That seems incredible.

Here's a screenie of my score, with my TomatoMan hat on the TV for authenticity:

http://slinberg.net/images/pikmin-273.jpg

Wow. Wow!! I shouted so loud at the end that I scared my dog. :)

Just gonna bask in this a little before deciding what's next!

Posted by topotheclass - 3/5/2002 11:09:50 PM

You guys are Impact Site gods!!! All these 270+ scores are going make my head spin! It's like the Cambrian explosion, when thousands of simple organisms evolved all at once out of the primordial ooze, the way you guys are suddenly topping 270, making my IS best of 264 seem like 0h-so-yesterday. I was breathless with joy at the time, and now I'm what, 20th???

Tomato, special props have to go out to you, my man. People, this is a guy who once described himself as "struggling" on IS, and actually asked me for tips. He complained about having a hard time breaking 240. Looks like the shoe's on the other foot now, TM. Talk about the model of perseverance...

Oh well, to be fair I haven't been playing much IS lately, choosing instead to hone my FOH strat. (Which reminds me, you notice how everyone's all heated up over FN now all of a sudden? No one wants to try FOH. Remember Ferret, when just a few weeks ago you were begging people to play FN and challenge your score? Now it's the IN THING.) Anyway, I can honestly say it's not even about strat anymore; I'm pretty sure I've got a good one going. Now, it's all up to technique and a little luck.

With that rather verbose intro I'd like to post my latest:

Forest of Hope - 547!

It didn't feel like anything close to a perfect run, but it beat my previous best by almost 30! I missed the bulbear near the pearl by the water, and a blue 1 pellet in the water. Other than that, I'm not sure what I missed, but obviously I must have missed some others, since the 14 that the bulbear and pellet would have provided would still have left me at 561, 8 short of the theoretical max. I'm still struggling for consistency with my blow-the-bad-guys-to-smithereens-with-bomb-rocks technique, which half the time still results in a very few little yellows being chased around by a very angry bulborb/bear.

Another thing I'm doing now (and this is probably common sense and most of you real gamers out there probably have this as an instinct) is just quitting a run if it's not looking good. After all, the quest is for a high score. Before I used to stubbornly march on, believing in the idea of the "great second-half comeback"...... Naaaaah. I got it pretty well timed now, and if I ain't at a certain place at a certain time, I'm restarting. There's no use in frustrating myself with a seemingly solid run that ends with 40-50 pellets "on the way" as time runs out.

Oh, and I want to second Nathan's idea on monosyllabic (great word) posts. Oh, wait, Ferret already did. Ok, I'll third it.

Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/5/2002 11:40:16 PM

Weeeeee! Congratulations, TomatoMan! Just another person to dominate the Impact Site until someone hits 278, however. Which JimiThingR will most likely be the the first to achieve, if at all possible.

I'm still sitting pretty at 272 scoring yet another "perfect" run. The problem is, I get everything and I am careful where I throw my Pikmin. But obviously SOMEHOW, something gets mismatched. And it blows my mind every single time! I'm going to give it a go once and for all tonight. And if I don't get it, I'm going back to the Forest Navel.

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Posted by TomatoMan - 3/6/2002 12:22:03 AM

Thanks for the propz, top and Ferret! I wonder how many times I did IS before the 273. Hundreds. Probably two months of semi-sustained effort! Ye gods, that's almost embarassing.

I must confess, in all honesty, that I think I got lucky on the 273. Really, everything has to go perfectly and you can't screw up at all - the cursor's one pixel too far to the left on a throw and you can have a 272. I'll probably keep doing IS a bit, but I don't expect to be able to pack my score list with 273s like Nathan did. You ever going to digitize your 273 mega-technique, Nathan? I did mine doing all the 20s in one run, more traditional-style, but didn't you say you get the red 20 first on a separate run? Did you do that on your 273?

I actually went back to play the regular GAME a bit - interesting to be on the Impact Site in a game situation, where everything's moved around! Wacky! I've got 17 parts in 10 days so far - a far, far cry from Snap's 9-day marathon, but still fun.

I think Forest of Hope might be next up for me, and I have yet to break 400. I think in order to get a 273 on IS you have to have it completely memorized - I know I do, I have a vivid image of where every single pellet is on the level and what order I have to get them in. FoH seems so much bigger that it's daunting to think about getting it all down like that. Plus there's the unpredictability of the monster battles, although I suppose if you attack in overwhelming numbers all the time you should probably be OK. I usually lose a few of my initial 42 when sweeping through the first round of little guys.

I knew I was going to like this game before it even came out, but I had no idea I'd be forsaking all other games for it. My GC has barely seen anything else inside since I got Pikmin, the day it came out.

Whee! Onwards!

Oh yeah, top -- I totally quit all the time on IS if things aren't going perfectly. I always get the breadbug with blues, and if he goes to the wrong onion by mistake, I restart. If he drops two of the same-color 5s, I restart. If I don't get the 10s cleanly, I restart. If I don't have 80 or so picked by noon, I restart; if I'm heading for the red 20 too much after 1, I restart... you get the idea. On IS, you can't get a perfect score if any of these things happen. I'm not good enough at FoH yet for it to matter too much, so I usually play through, but there's certainly a point when you're familiar enough with things that you can detect a dud run pretty early. :)

Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 3/6/2002 6:32:24 AM

Pikmin Leader Board - March 6, 2002:

Impact Site:
1. 273 (SnapDragon)
1. 273 (Nathan Ian Bowers)
1. 273 (JimiThingR)
1. 273 (TomatoMan)
5. 272 (Ferret5317)

Forest of Hope:
1. 563 (SnapDragon)
2. 547 (topotheclass)
3. 501 (spenser)
4. 472 (redpichead)
5. 410 (msword11)

Forest Navel:
1. 414 (SnapDragon)
2. 397 (redpichead)
2. 397 (Nathan Ian Bowers)
4. 394 (Ferret5317)
5. 335 (shortyschlosser)

Distant Spring:
1. 516 (SnapDragon)
2. 425 (redpichead)
3. 348 (Ferret5317)
4. 303 (Kalizam)
5. 204 (cubehead100)

Final Trial:
1. 299 (SnapDragon)
2. 232 (Ferret5317)
3. 217 (RockMFR)
4. 208 (redpichead)
5. 202 (yoshifan18)

Okay, I hope I haven't left anything out this time. It's an eyesore seeing Ferret being only 1 point short of perfection on Impact Site and yet still holding only 5th place. Ferret, you're in some kind of a nasty slump - I want to see you round off that list and soon. Hopefully today. By the way, once Impact Site is filled with all 273's I will begin adding a 6th spot (I think topotheclass has dibs on it right now). I'm going to start playing Pikmin again in a minute here but I'm not sure which level I want to play. I guess I'll keep trying to take back first place in Forest Navel. Tomato, great work on Impact Site. I hope looking at this list makes it all worthwhile. Topotheclass, you are a god to challenge Snap's FoH score! I think if you lose fewer Pikmin you'll be there pretty soon. Maybe Forest of Hope will be my next venture after I tire of Forest Navel (after all, all the groovy cats are doing the hip thing playing FN). Keep Pikmining!

Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/6/2002 10:57:44 AM

Allow me to join the ranks with my new and improved...

The Impact Site - 273!!!!!!!!!!!

And I must say, it's about time! The timer was still at 9 seconds as the last pellet was inhaled by the blue onion. It was a tearful moment. I even recorded it! So if you want to see that last 10 seconds or so, let me know! :)

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Posted by ProkopTheGreat - 3/6/2002 11:07:56 AM

DISTANT SPRING - 254

It only took me a few tries. I just cleared out everything in open water half of the level, and a few things on the more mountainous side of the level. The key is to kill enemies quick and safely. I think the reason that \nobody tries this level all that much is that it isn't as "safe" as other levels, i.e. it is much more possible to see a pikmin genocide on DS than IS.

I'll try even harder to get onto the rest of the boards.

Posted by TomatoMan - 3/6/2002 11:22:37 AM

Woohoo! Congrats, Ferret! We all knew you'd be along shortly.

I'm amazed by those of you that finish with so much time to spare. I gasped to the finish line and was hollering at those two reds carrying that last 1 to HURRY HURRY HURRY! My score ticked to 273 just as the level ended.

I sort of wish I had a 273 with more time left so I could feel like I really did it solidly. I'll try some more, I haven't revisited IS since my 273.

Now, the question is: is a 278 really possible? Is anyone going to do it? Sure as hell won't be me. :)

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Posted by mastershay - 3/6/2002 6:16:04 PM

Distant Spring - 520

Yep, I have 2 pictures of it. Sent them to Nintendo Power for the arena. If you want to see them, let me know where to send them.

Posted by mastershay - 3/6/2002 6:19:27 PM

As for how I accomplished it:

I watched Snap's video about 5 times
Tried the level for about 5 days
Did almost everything the same as Snap, except I was able to grab another 5x pellet from the water near the start.

Posted by TomatoMan - 3/6/2002 6:36:23 PM

What the hell - throwing my hat (low) into the FoH pool:

Forest of Hope - 415

Good enough for last place! :)

Still have a LOT to figure out about this level, but it's fun!

Posted by ProkopTheGreat - 3/6/2002 10:48:05 PM

DISTANT SPRING - 272

And I lost about thirty to enemies. I'm going to break 300 next time.

Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/6/2002 11:11:16 PM

The Distant Spring - 376

I just thought I would do a test run to see how much better I had gotten since practicing on Forest Navel and Impact Site. It took me two runs to improve my previous score of 348 to a 376, but those enemies are something I most certainly need to get used to... I'll try for more later, but right now I think I'm going to play Sonic

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Posted by ProkopTheGreat - 3/7/2002 12:04:01 AM

DISTANT SPRING - 298

My current strategy appears to be inadequate. It only involves on of the pearls, (the double bridge one) I got nearly everything around the middle of the level, without actually going into the center mountain. I guess that is an easy addition that I can make to my strategy.

Posted by SnapDragon - 3/7/2002 3:26:02 AM

When I first read mastershay's post, I was practically speechless. It's been over an hour, so hopefully I can trust myself to make a post now.

mastershay, you took my publicly announced score and generously provided video, copied my strategy exactly with a tiny improvement, submitted it to Nintendo Power just as you must have known I was doing, and didn't tell anyone until after the #!$@ deadline. That score was completely my own work, and I was really looking forward to actually getting some small shred of public recognition for once. Now everybody who reads that magazine is going to see your name beside a score that I earned. You stabbed me in the back and twisted the knife.

They say no good deed goes unpunished. This is my reward for all that effort making videos and laboriously getting them online. I don't know what more to say that won't result in a modded topic. And I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not thinking logically right now. I may not come back. Let's hope I feel better in a few days.

Posted by TomatoMan - 3/7/2002 9:08:26 AM

Snap,

Woo. This is a difficult situation. I hope you stick around, but I can certainly understand your bitterness.

I do think it's rather cut-throat to take advantage of other peoples' work and pass it off as your own. I would never have gotten my 273 on Impact Site without seeing both of your videos, and getting lots of feedback from the folks on this board, so I would never submit my 273 anywhere as anything other than an asterisked footnote to your technique. I've avoided watching any of your other vids for just that reason; I'd like to see what I can come up with on my own first.

It would have been sporting, I would say, for mastershay to submit a note that his score was achieved using your technique as a base. I don't know the contest or whether that was an option; maybe it wasn't. I don't think I would submit a score like that myself, but to each his own.

On the other hand, as you pointed out, you did release your videos into the public domain out of the goodness of your heart. When you do that, unfortunately, it's axiomatic that at some point someone will try to turn your generosity to their advantage or use it to further themselves. I don't know that mastershay had "evil intent" when he did this; he may just have not thought it through carefully, and your post will certainly make him be more thoughtful in the future.

Public acclaim is nice, but I personally think the ultimate satisfaction is in the quiet self-knowing that you should already have. Your 273 on IS is the clinic, and everybody around here knows that; so do you. Likewise, your DS score (and all of your scores, hell) are so far beyond what anybody else has done that it's laughable. I'd feel awfully good if I were you. And when the chips are tallied up in the Great Wherever, in whatever sense you want to imagine that, it will all be clear who did what.

Folks, when you achieve a score based on other peoples' techniques, be humble about it. My 273 is really a testament to all of you, without whom I would never have done it. And everything that I learned doing that will help on the other levels I try to do solo, so even those will be informed by all of your help. I couldn't imagine showing a video of mine to anyone without pointing that out.

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 10:55:13 AM

Am I supposed to feel bad for you, cause I don't. You see, the videos may be showing how you did the levels, but it doesn't mean that you invented those methods. I tried many ways to accomplish this, but after trying about 200 times at least, I realized that the way you did was the only way to get achieve a top score. So don't think that I copied you exactly. I simply went the same route as you, but I changed the tasks of what the pikmin did. That's how I managed to get an extra pellet from the water, plus an extra one from the far side of the level. I only beat you by four because I had more pikmin die.

As for waiting for after the deadline: why would I spend a week trying to top your score and then come and brag about it just so that someone else could beat it? And as for stabbing you in the back: sorry but I don't know who you are and don't care. I simply watched your video a few times, and for that I am grateful.

Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/7/2002 11:10:51 AM

mastershay, you just admitted openly that without seeing SnapDragon's video (Many times, I might add) you would not have gotten the score that you did. You also admitted that you took the same route as he did. Essentially copying his strategy and by making slight alterations to it in an attempt to best HIS top score, which he earned without the aid of a video.

You may not feel bad, but if that is the case then you obviously have not tried putting yourself in his shoes. He devotes a lot of time and effort to make his work public for others to see and learn from, and then out of the blue someone takes his method and uses it against him. Please note before where I said: "His method" - That is the key statement.

I, for one, would be infuriated if someone came about with a claim like you have. And if you had half a shred of decency, you would understand how he feels - Or you would at least try.

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Posted by ProkopTheGreat - 3/7/2002 12:34:15 PM

I take mastershay's side in this argument. There is copyrighting or patenting of videogame strategies. Whoever can do it the best deserves the be recognized for their actions. While Snapdragon may have come up with a general strategy, mastershay perfected it.

Posted by scientist pg - 3/7/2002 1:05:55 PM

Snapdragon, don't worry- I know those scores are yours when I read Nintendo Power.
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Posted by Ahlyis - 3/7/2002 1:15:58 PM

I see no problem with Mastershay having used Snap's strategy. The problem I see is his total lack of respect towards or acknowledgement of SnapDragon.

I remember the Crazy Taxi tournament held by TwinGalaxies last summer. Most of the mini games had well known strategies. But there were a few where only a couple of people had figured out the best route or some secret. Those secrets were held tight for as long as possible. People were very willing to share their strategies, but only AFTER the contest was over.

Sorry Snap, I have great respect for your gaming abilities, but if you were worried about someone taking your top spot in a contest, you shouldn't have provided the method of your own demise prior to the contest's end. Think about it. This is a contest to get the highest score. Should Mastershay not have used the best strategy he could find? Or having found a key piece through another contestant's public video, should he have ignored it since he didn't discover it himself? How do you know he wouldn't have discovered it anyway after a few more tries?

No, I see no problem with Mastershay submitting the best score he could attain. The problem I see is the underhandedness with which he did it. Two things jump out at me as deceitful, though perhaps I am mistaken on one or both. If so, please let me know.

1) Mastershay seems to be trying to pass this off as almost solely his own accomplishment, with only a buried thank you to Snap for providing the video. but the consensus here seems to be that Mastershay simply couldn't have done this without Snap's video. It seems to me that Mastershay should have given more recognition to Snap for helping him achieve the score. This is really just a matter of manners though, not a huge issue if you ask me.

2) The more despicable thing is that he submitted his score, but didn't let anyone else know until it was too late for them to try to top it. If it had been solely his own achievement and he had not been posting here all along, then there would be no problem. Many people submit scores without telling anyone else. The problem though is that he used someone else's strategy (Snap's), then didn't have the decency to at least let Snap know that his score was topped until it was too late. Or even that he was working on it and might top Snap's score. This is absolutely despicable and EXTREMELY unsportsmanlike IMHO!
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Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 3/7/2002 1:28:02 PM

I view mastershay's actions as blatant, cowardly theft. Personally (and not to sound cocky), the only video of Snap's that I have watched is his Impact Site 238.....and I watched it when I already had a score of 241. I was curious to see how other people were attacking the level. I get no satisfaction from watching someone else's technique and making an identical copy with a few minor improvements. I like to earn my scores. That's what gaming is all about: personal satisfaction and not public boasting. However, if in the future I ever get stuck on a level and cannot seem to improve my scores then I will watch Snap's videos to learn from them. That's what they're there for. But there is a fine line between learning and simian mimicry. Mastershay, you are a video game plagiarist. Snap would not have minded you beating his score. I personally would have put you atop the new leaderboard for Distant Spring and congratulated you. But you made two intentionally evil mistakes: you didn't have the common courtesy to at least thank SnapDragon for providing his helpful video and, to make matters uglier, you passed off "your" high score to a national publication as being your brainchild. That is just sad. I hope that you do not feel the need to post anything else on this thread - because if you do it will fall on deaf ears. Have some respect. Don't be a punk. Through your stupidity you make myself, Ferret, Tomato, topotheclass, redpichead, JimiThingR and all the other dedicated competitors on this board look bad.

SnapDragon: Do us all a favor and beat mastershay's score. We all know that you are fully capable of it. Beat it by as much as possible and submit it to the next Pikmin Arena. You have nothing to prove, but I feel sick to my stomach seeing this guy come in and openly mock you. I hope to hear from you again soon.
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Posted by spenser - 3/7/2002 3:48:41 PM

couple of updates

impact site-252 I cant seem to get any farther HOW DO YOU GUYS DO IT!
forest of hope-507 not much of an update
forest of navel-same score
distant spring-239 I had no strategy and I lost 113 pikmin way to go spenser: shows how bad I need a strategy on this level
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Posted by Jimithingr - 3/7/2002 3:58:55 PM

In SnapDragons defense, I totally agree with him and everyone else who stands beside him on this issue of infringement. Mastershay, that was a perfect attempt of thievery and then getting away with it. "The Perfect Crime" if you will. I thought that since SnapDragon did so well and wanted to show everyone the "He was not lying", That was the soul purpose of those videos, he was the first to master them all and then give proof. Video Proof no less which most of us can't do or don't have the knowledge or technology for. He was the one who set the standard. But these were teaching tools if you felt lost or stuck, they were never made to be shown off, they were simply proof. Everyone knows this.

I full take credit on my own for my IS score. I did watch his video of the 273 once, but I did not use his technique on that level what-so-ever. I feel proud of myself for this, because after watching his video I noticed that even though it was done sloppy, it was accomplished. I thought I could do it my own way, and whether or not its better, is not my call, but it was done. Though I thank him for revealing some game tricks that I did no yet know about (throwing them farther, that's about the only one) but still I did it myself.

For Mastershay to go out and disregard who taught him how to play, and then like Nathan said "Submit it to a national publicist" is horrifying. You have no right to bask in someone else's glory and for that, you now know that your input and self glory will not be displayed on this thread, because noone will read it. I guarantee it will be voted off by everyone so quick, your tainted image will be forever known on this board, as the "Backstabbing Thief"

Go hit the XBox thread, it needs people desperately especially lame ones such as yourself.

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 4:51:56 PM

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Posted by SnapDragon - 3/7/2002 4:59:05 PM

Well, I've decided I'm not going to leave a board for a game I love because of one sociopathic jerk. I see this has touched up a hell of a controversy, and I appreciate all the comments. I just wish I weren't in the center of it.

I've certainly understood that, sad though it may be, some people might end up copying my strategies directly to beat my scores. That was a risk that was unavoidable in my providing videos, and of course (as has been made clear) none of the regulars is going to be much impressed by it. But as Ahlyis said, what I find totally reprehensible was his secrecy in beating my score. It's not difficult at all to take a sitting target (my score) with an explicit instruction guide to achieving it (my video), devote a week to getting a lucky run, and beat it by some truly negligible amount (4 points). That's all master did, and then he kept quiet so that he could win, instead of letting me know so I could challenge it again myself. That is absolutely terrible sportsmanship. I hate to sound egotistic, but I don't think there's any doubt who would have come out on top in a fair competition between me and mastershay.

As Ahlyis says, I should have seen it coming. Ahlyis, I'd like to point out that my video and score were both public knowledge several weeks before the NP contest came out... I never even had the opportunity to compete privately. And I was, indeed, worried that somebody in the contest would beat my score just due to my video. The smart thing for me to do would have been to beat my score by a fair amount (I have an idea for perhaps a 30 point improvement), and not post the video. I doubt master could break 400 without a detailed walkthrough, let alone 550. It would be tricky, though; I'm already stretching the level thin, after all. My options were limited, through no fault of my own.

Well, the damage is done. I've been victimized for trusting the general GameFAQs populace to be fair and sporting (always a mistake). But I do love the game... so despite this, I'll probably keep competing. However, I am never producing another Pikmin video. I can learn from experience.

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 5:01:24 PM

Ok I am sorry for saying in the first place that I copied snap's method. That wasn't true, as I just wrote. Only his route, I figured after hundreds of times, was the only way to get such a high score. The rest was mine, and if anyone copies my method then you will burn in hell! Next time I won't right so hasty and vaguely, ok?

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Posted by SnapDragon - 3/7/2002 5:03:43 PM

mastershay, take a hint and leave. You are not welcome here.

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 5:09:51 PM

Thank you everyone for even considering what I have said. You all are too stubborn to try to understand. Some one said that he was mad I didn't try to understand. How can you condemn me when you are doing the same thing? I have explained that I did not copy him.

I DID NOT COPY HIM OK OK OK? WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND I DID NOT COPY HIM?

But so what, you all have all ready made up your minds in the matter of 2 days. Too bad you have to turn me into a scapegoat, because I haven't done anything wrong, but you guys go on playing pikmin and don't try to see what I am saying.

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 5:11:36 PM

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 5:13:08 PM

sorry i didn't mean to post those messages twice, the page kept saying "error".

Posted by Infiltrater - 3/7/2002 5:28:31 PM

mastershay, it's so blatantly obvious to anyone from the "outside world" who reads only the posts in this forum that you're completely in the wrong and come off as an idiot. Any possible bias aside, your deed and your "justification" for it state the truth; you swindled and cheated your way to the high score, and are passing it off as your own work. Even if there's nothing that can be done about it now, with hope it'll come back and bite you in the ass.

Posted by TomatoMan - 3/7/2002 5:43:40 PM

mastershay, you have to see that the way you presented it made it sound like you were using Snap's technique with one minor adjustment. I don't think anybody would say there's a problem with doing that if you're just competing for the high score here in our little group, although it would be sporting and polite to give propz. I think the problem people have with it is that you submitted that score to a competition in a national publication, and did so in a way that seemed secretive and unsportsmanlike.

I think if you had posted a message here saying "I'm submitting this score to blah blah whatever, and it closes in one week, so do your best to beat it," and no-one did, then this conversation wouldn't be happening.

Sure, there are no "rules" in this whole affair, but there is basic sportsmanship that makes the whole experience more fun for everybody. Basic sportsmanship is making sure everyone gets an equal chance, and may the best man win. I don't know what this particular contest was, but it sounds like a big one, and it's pretty clear that everyone feels a lack of sportsmanship was demonstrated.

That's my read on it, anyway.

Posted by redpichead - 3/7/2002 5:58:38 PM

Mastershay I understand your point of view crystal clear. About you saying that you took your own route and all, I can understand where your coming from and I agree with it. On the other side with SnapDragon, I understand him too. They're saying it was kind of misleading of you to not tell everyone that you beat SnapDragon's score until the last minute and hide in the shadows....then all of a sudden you jump out with the new high score beating SnapDragon's. So now know one has a chance to step up to to the plate because NP's deadline already came up. I also see that it was rude of you to completely insult SnapDragon with a remark stating " I don't know who you are and I really don't care." Somewhere along those lines. It would have been a good choice on your part to acknowledge SnapDragon and thank him for pasting those videos, because without them you probably wouldn't have come up with the score you did. So to end this feud, it would be nice of you to at least apologize to Snap, and end this argument.

On a brighter note this is my current score in:
Forest of Hope-504

Posted by ProkopTheGreat - 3/7/2002 6:28:52 PM

Everybody should lay off of Mastershay. There was a competition. He did the best of anybody else. Even if he copied parts of Snapdragon's methods, bigdeal. You don't hear people complaining in sports or other games when a new technique is introduced to the game and used by new people.

Snapdragon. Exploding at Mastershay and saying he is not welcome her was uncalled for. You are in no position to tell people that they do not belong on these boards. You do not own them, so don't act like it.

Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 6:30:49 PM

Ok this is my last post. I apologize to snap for getting so angry, and once again I am grateful for his videos. I may have been unsportsman-like, but I wasn't trying to compete with anyone, I was trying to win. Win what? The "big" contest is I get a t-shirt and my name printed if I win. (No one knows who has won but everyone assumes it is me for some reason.) I am not into this pikmin competition group, so I simply wanted to say what my score was. So I am sorry that I did not post my score 2 weeks ago so that everyone could have beaten it. Lastly, I would like to reemphasize that I regret posting so vaguely that I "watched the video a bunch...copied it a bunch...". This is not true, most of what I did was from my own observations and playing, I simply used his overall route (go right, go straight, and then go to back of level - that's all I followed).

Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/7/2002 8:11:23 PM

Don't think poorly of me for doing this...

I watched Snap's video about 5 times
Tried the level for about 5 days
Did almost everything the same as Snap, except I was able to grab another 5x pellet from the water near the start.

Please pay special attention to that last sentence. That is where I nearly cringed. And I think that you nonchalantly changing "Did almost everything the same" to "Only took the same route" just doesn't cut it.

So, the question comes immediately to mind.. If you truly felt that you had accomplished your score on your own, why would you have even said that?

That is where your side of the argument begins AND ends, in my opinion.

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Posted by mastershay - 3/7/2002 8:56:43 PM

Tell me ferret why can't you get it through your thick skull that I was just posting a hasty, vague topic about it? If I knew that it would have ticked you off so much, I would have posted every one of my moves. So because you insist on not shutting your mouth, here are some differences between mine and snaps approach:

I killed all the big bulborbs in the beginning
I started out with half blue, about 40 red and 10 yellow
I managed to get the flint beetle to cough up a 5x near the beginning, along with nectar
I got the two 1x pellets in the lake near the rhinos
I got 2 frogs from the lake
I got 1 of the frogs from the back area
I made my pikmin put down alot of the colored pellets until the very end so that I could make sure that they were color coordinated for max points
And I didn't manage to get the boulder thing, but if I had TWO more seconds, I would have. I was that close to having another 20(?) points.

Oh Please forgive me, I understated when I said I lost a couple of pikmin. There are you happy that I finally cleared this up?

Posted by Destiny I - 3/7/2002 9:24:18 PM

If there is one thing that really iritates me... is when people fight over a score on a video game! who knows... there are probably tons of people who have gotten better scores than people here!... I mean SnapDragon, just because he did something similar to your run does not mean he cheated you out of a score and a contest... having fun and trying to do your best is more important than a name in a magazine!!!
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Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/7/2002 9:25:06 PM

Hey, no need to take out your frustration on me. I was simply refreshing the facts.

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Posted by redpichead - 3/7/2002 9:54:11 PM

This argument needs to end now. It either ends now or on Judge Judy. We've all filled up like four pages of this. Mastershay said he was sorry and let's leave it at that! Let's get some new high score's! Jeez!

Posted by Nathan Ian Bowers - 3/7/2002 11:21:14 PM

Personally, I am done arguing with this. I'm going back to only posting in order to congratulate people on accomplishments, announce my new scores and compile the Top Five list periodically. This argument is stupid now. We have filled almost 3 full pages with it. This thread is for Challenge Mode scores. All in favor, say "aye."

Posted by TomatoMan - 3/7/2002 11:37:41 PM

Aye.

Posted by Ferret5317 - 3/8/2002 12:50:34 AM

AYE! And...

The Forest Navel - 397

A three way tie for second place? I like it. It's too bad that I had 14 Pikmin worth of pellets right there at the onions... Sheesh! Bummer, you know what is very sad about my run? Of the pellets I had left, three of the ones I went for were the two random colored Posy's by the onions and the blue 5 in the water next to them. I went for the blue first because it was slightly farther away... And if I would have just gotten the Posy's... I would have had a 401! GRrrRrRRrRrr

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Posted by soulja246 - 3/8/2002 5:48:39 PM

can someone explain the best route(in detail) for FN?? My highest is only 328!! Ive played this for maybe 20-30 hours over the last week, its getting really frustrating.
Also, i started DS on the side. I've managed 320, decent i guess.....
ok well thx ppl
~lata

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